Discourse Log


Michelle Seymour, which is just a kid from the united kingdom said in another posting, ” Indigenous Americans should be publicly, openly meeting with these militia and talking. It is not about colour or history, but what can be changed now ! Put forward your custodianship of this land, exchange knowledge, come to a treaty and realise that you are essentially fighting for the same things.”
And to some extent she is correct. The gaslighting that the corporate state propagated during those times is horrendous, without a doubt. However the divide and rule strategy as a offensive against the total people at this point in history needs to be seriously considered and analyzed.
Today we have the internet. And the corporate state cannot pull the same shenanigans to the same extent as before.
Bundy has brought some very serious issues to the table. 1/3 of American land is owned by the Federal government. This massive land holding IS affecting food sovereignty of our nation. Every acre that is taken from a rancher, a farmer, a fisherman benefits factory farming, Monsanto, and the likes.
What are these ” dozens more ways of drawing attention”? Vote harder? Hold Bigger Signs? Tip more cop cars? More BlacBlock protest? Tell me and Wounded Knee in ’73 these dozen or more ways to “draw attention”! No one needs more attention. We need corruption of the bureaucracies and rouge agencies to be addressed. We need the Corporate State to disengage their slow moving coup d’etat on the US government.

 

People are getting tired Rick. We need to be able to use the land in a livable way. 1/3 of all land in the USA is owned by the Federal Government. That’s a lot of land.

 

BrendaKevin Wescott scalping aka murder was a mercenary market created by the Corporate State. It was an atrocity then, and not funny now.

 

We would hope in today’s modern communication a Wounded Knee 1973 the citizens of the US would not allow such actions against citizens take place.

Julia Clark commented on The Oregonian‘s link.

 

Sherrie Heckendorn So, you think free range beef should be already more expensive than it is now. Thanks there. Leave working class to have to eat factory farm meat.

 

The American public does not have use of the federal land, only access. I cannot go to Federal land find a nice stream and use it in a livable way. The Federal Government has usurpt 1/3 of the USA physical land. That’s a lot of land that the public cannot use freely in a livable way.

 

Will be back protesting at the Cleveland Justice Center, 1200 Ontario St., Thurs and Friday at 3:15 pm.

 

I was shocked at the shear amount of abject poverty in the State of California, considering California has one of the largest grossing industries in the nation, media. It is a shocking shame.

 

 

 

 

Julia Clark replied to her own comment.
Gary Bloomfield One of the main goals is to do a forensic accounting of the land holdings in that county. Which is the right of every person in the nation to review public records.

 

Great article.
Proud of President Obama for showing such principle, resolve and passion in doing everything he can to address our country’s gun violence epidemic. The NRA’s chokehold on Republicans in Congress is the problem. The 2016 election is a chance to change that. http://www.marinij.com/article/NO/20160105/NEWS/160109896

 

4 years later… How’s everyone feeling about the political system this time around?

 

Good Lord! Suicide is one of the leading causes of death in the USA? Intentional self-harm (suicide): 41,149 That is 113 deaths a day w/22 of them being veterans. That is shocking.

 

 

Julia Clark replied to her own comment.
Jason D Valentin No, my reaction would not be different but the Corporate State of America that thrives on propping up the bloated military contractors would react wrongly. Never the less your saying ,” but if they were” is a straw man argument to soothe your guilt of what does occur daily and wastes so many of our resources.

However, If we are going to call them terrorist; then what the rest of the world needs to do is start bombing Oregon where the terrorists are, and a bit around them, and a few other places just for the hell of it, all just to help the US people of course. Then when the local population try to leave as refugees, refuse them entry..

 

Julia Clark replied to her own comment.
Marilyn Warder I am sorry you feel that way. However, I was raised in a family that felt that way, mainly because of the cost of health care. However, when you have a good doctor and cost is not a concern, your view on health care changes. You do not wait until things become dire. You go sooner and more often, and raising the standards of your own health and well being.

 

Syrian news's photo.

 

Absolutely, twice I have contracted an unknown biological agent, once landing me in ICU for over a week. I have no doubt the Corporate State uses bio-terrorism

 

Coincidence? Or corporate sabotage? Erin Elizabeth explains how the feds waited years to investigate GMO Blue Bell Ice cream (who killed 3 people!) & protects Taco Bell name from being released during an outbreak, but GMO free Chipotle grill? The feds jumped on that quicker than you can say “corruption & pay off” Do you think the big M was involved too?

 

 

Julia Clark commented on Jared Huffman‘s post.
This is a peaceful protest. In the same fashion of any other Occupy, except it is rural.
The BLM’s lack of transparency creates the illusion that everyone is a single victim, when in fact there are many people and small civics have suffered from BLMs gaslightings. The BLM is a dangerous organization that is assisting the theft of land, where by mega players are able to exploit land holdings. And one way the holdings are exploited is with mega loans at 0% interest from rural development USDA.
The American public does not have use of the federal land, only access. I cannot go to Federal land find a nice stream and use it in a livable way. The Federal Government has usurpt 1/3 of the USA physical land. That’s a lot of land that the public cannot use freely in a livable way.
The Oregon Occupation has brought some serious issues to the General Assembly and it is not going unheard. .

 

We always review things ten years later and ask, “Where are we now?” In 2018, America will be asking, “Where are we ten years after the financial collapse?” Documentaries will be aired. Magazines will print articles, and I suspect we’ll get a pretty good analysis of the thing.
What I’m saying is this: If students graduating today are still sleeping in mom’s garage…if working people are still living in cars behind the workplace…if “family” is still an impossible concept…I think the poor and the working class will swarm like ants from every dark corner of this country and this world and overthrow the ones in charge, burning everything along the way.
We have the means–and we’ve had it for half a century–for every person to have adequate food, clothes, and housing. If we applied the industrial machinery to housing the same way we apply it to making war, a decent house could be made for an eighth of what we’re paying now, and the rich could still keep their big houses and fancy cars. Just a thought.

 

Well, there is hope. Monsanto is going before the Hague .

 

Frankly, while looking at pictures of Wounded Knee, I did not get the same lesson that the inorganic media told me I should get. I got fear of the Corporate State.

 

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That is a lot of equipment.>>>>>>According to Wounded Knee scholar John Sayer, “The equipment maintained by the military while in use during the siege included fifteen armored personnel carriers, clothing, rifles, grenade launchers, flares, and 133,000 rounds of ammunition, for a total cost, including the use of maintenance personnel from the National Guard of five states and pilot and planes for aerial photographs, of over half a million dollars.” I guess, back then they did not have video cameras. And I looked for the pictures from 1973 and could not find many. But there was this one https://tonyseed.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/1973-wounded-knee-apc.jpg

 

That is not fully truthful 400 rancher and 2.4 million acres will be lost soon. The BLM’s lack of transparency creates the illusion that everyone is a single victim, when in fact there are many people and small civics have suffered from BLMs gaslightings. The BLM is a dangerous organization that is assisting the theft of land, where by as mega players are able to exploit land holdings. And one way the holdings are exploited is with mega loans at 0% interest.
Michelle Seymour, which is just a kid from the united kingdom said in another posting, ” Indigenous Americans should be publicly, openly meeting with these militia and talking. It is not about colour or history, but what can be changed now ! Put forward your custodianship of this land, exchange knowledge, come to a treaty and realise that you are essentially fighting for the same things.”
And to some extent she is correct. The gaslighting that the corporate state propagated during those times is horrendous, without a doubt. However the divide and rule strategy as a offensive against the total people at this point in history needs to be seriously considered and analyzed.
Today we have the internet. And the corporate state cannot pull the same shenanigans to the same extent as before.
Bundy has brought some very serious issues to the table. 1/3 of American land is owned by the Federal government.
And I pray the article is wrong, there really not need to be another waco, or wounded knee.
cont…

 

Julia Clark commented on Regan Straley‘s post.
Regan Straley can you elaborate. I am interested because of what happened to Enron employees and what happened to American Airline employees, they both lost much of their life savings and all of their retirement.

 

Well, there you go. Thank you very much for the time, it is highly appreciated and needed. But try to find just one Occupier that is front lining and send at least care packages. And do it personal, don’t send them stuff they do not need. Paypal and bitcoin maybe out of your ability, but other basic needs and care packages are important.

 

Julia Clark commented on Mary McNeil‘s post.
Kind of like how the Occupy (and anonymous) was/is always wanting pizza. Funny how average people don’t have the basic needs to protest. Thank God we have the internet, or most of you could not afford to do anything. By the way Mary McNeil , as an apartment cleaner, how much do you donate monthly to the Occupations?

 

2 billion for the homeless to construct housing? Plus 200 million more for temporary housing during construction of permanent housing?

$2 billion bond to construct more than 14,000 permanent housing units comes to $142,000+ each.

California has 22 percent of America’s homeless population. In January 2015, 564,708 people were homeless on a given night in the United States. That’s 124,425 homeless in California.

Now, tiny homes cost about $15,000 each. That comes to 133,333 tiny homes for 2 billion. More than enough. 133,625,000 would be left over if 124,425 got tiny homes built. The average cost per acre of “farm” land is $7200 an acre. That’s 18,556 acres of land. 7-19 houses per acre is acceptable by density codes. 6.7 homes would be the tiny home density per acre.

So, which sounds better. Government solution, or homeless persons solution?

 

'@[1410548590:2048:Linda Pearson Sippel] you erased my comment, Why because the cold hard possible truth, you do not want to prepare for. You want easy. It won't be easy.
Now I will screen shot and post what I said before and this. Because it is important to be prepared and fully awake for the very difficult maneuvers ahead.

Yes, it will be tolerated. & no you will not quit
tolerating because the shift required is more
than a prime time Disney movie, at least at this point. 

Everyone is going to have to bitterly fight this Corporate State.

As long as there is not an active plan in place to address the presidential bubble, which is maintained by the Corporate State in their very effective slow moving coup d'etat, Sanders will be going into check. If Sanders is placed in check and there is no legal move that player can make to escape check, then it is checkmate. And you pray the Corporate State does not forfeit the game.'
Linda Pearson Sippel you erased my comment, Why because the cold hard possible truth, you do not want to prepare for. You want easy. It won’t be easy.
Now I will screen shot and post what I said before and this. Because it is important to be prepared and fully awake for the very difficult maneuvers ahead.

Yes, it will be tolerated. & no you will not quit
tolerating because the shift required is more
than a prime time Disney movie, at least at this point.

Everyone is going to have to bitterly fight this Corporate State.

As long as there is not an active plan in place to address the presidential bubble, which is maintained by the Corporate State in their very effective slow moving coup d’etat, Sanders will be going into check. If Sanders is placed in check and there is no legal move that player can make to escape check, then it is checkmate. And you pray the Corporate State does not forfeit the game.

 

 

Julia Clark replied to her own comment.
I did not mean that factory farms benefit by the actual use of the land, I meant by it not being used for grass fed cows, homesteading and the likes. However, thanks for sharing that in Wyoming, factory farms are in direct use of federal land, I am sure you have read by now how difficult it is to do an review of use of BLM lands. We appreciate your help. Micepace Dahtkahm

 

Julia Clark commented on s post.
There is a misconceived belief that losing a oath-bound job and the shame of being dishonored is some sort of great punishment to those who’s job encompass honoring an oath. I think that concept needs to be addressed because in many instances not honoring the oath is intentional and not a misstep, which would make it a form of occupational fraud.
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