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Julia Clark shared a link.

 

Pressure in the country and pressure in the city.

 

'"Both the government and private companies can censor stuff. But private companies are a little bit scarier. They have no constitution to answer to. They’re not elected. They have no constituents or voters. All of the protections we’ve built up to protect against government tyranny don’t exist for corporate tyranny.

Is the internet going to stay free? Are private companies going to censor [the] websites I visit, or charge more to visit certain websites? Is the government going to force us to not visit certain websites? And when I visit these websites, are they going to constrain what I can say, to only let me say certain types of things, or steer me to certain types of pages? All of those are battles that we’ve won so far, and we’ve been very lucky to win them. But we could quite easily lose, so we need to stay vigilant."
~ @[143365682345261:274:Aaron Swartz]

Died three years ago today. 
A fine clear mind extinguished. 
Greatly admired, greatly missed.'
“Both the government and private companies can censor stuff. But private companies are a little bit scarier. They have no constitution to answer to. They’re not elected. They have no constituents or voters. All of the protections we’ve built up to protect against government tyranny don’t exist for corporate tyranny.

Is the internet going to stay free? Are private companies going to censor [the] websites I visit, or charge more to visit certain websites? Is the government going to force us to not visit certain websites? And when I visit these websites, are they going to constrain what I can say, to only let me say certain types of things, or steer me to certain types of pages? All of those are battles that we’ve won so far, and we’ve been very lucky to win them. But we could quite easily lose, so we need to stay vigilant.”
~ Aaron Swartz

Died three years ago today.
A fine clear mind extinguished.
Greatly admired, greatly missed.

 

That article is not fully truthful the grant is for “The recipient must be a collaborative, State, tribal, local, or regionally-based network or partnership of public or private entities, “

 

Mary Broadhurst Well, I suppose that the Occupy has never had any one lie, not have their own agenda. This is a first. Oh my!

 

Well, Stock Markets are little more than legalized gambling. I believe in a localized economy There really are not that many larger projects that benefit the larger population. I have been in and around construction from building oil rigs to bridges (vast ones) to 65 ft deep containment walls, and Intrastate roads and byways, excluding the oil rigs, which was Halliburton, most of that was what I would classify as local men and women.
I think that the military and the CCC would be be better used toward the interstate projects. I am very conservative. I think the WWII immigration into the city need to be reversed. People need food, shelter, wholesome care and not much more, entertainment, arts, and dare I say even education all come natural when people are living in a wholesome way.
And I disagree that health care for children does not benefit society.
I don’t know how much I would believe anything DonDon says, personally from first hand knowledge. Again he is a great party guy, but I do not know if I would trust him with long term sobriety. What’s gonna happen when he needs a toot in the Presidential Bubble? Who will be there to exploit that unshareable secret?

 

Julia Clark commented on her own photo.
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Very good question. According to Mr. Bowie, a blackstar is not a gangster, not a filmstar, not a popstar, not a marvel star, not a flam star, not a white star, not a pornstar, and not a wandering star..

 

I am very glad you looked that new term up. I hope you also read it. Mr Snowden sacrificed a lot to get that information to you. I did not however call you a covert agent. I did write that you were attempting a jTRIG.

 

The exploitations, fraud, and corruption by the the media industry needs whistleblowers. Not only are much of thee audience exploited to one degree or another many of the artist find themselves trapped in a very difficult to escape contorted security bubble.

 

Mary Broadhurst Hate it for you, but I will always have expectations of you, and of course others. Actually, because of the inorganic and the factory farm media source of the news it causes suspicion on the story. I am not even sure how it relates to the BLM burning and shredding files.
Other than you are attempting a jTRIG.

 

Leonardo DiCaprio Gives Big Shout-Out to First Nations at Golden Globes

http://bit.ly/1P3SCJT

 

Wanting and being able to do, is two different things.I could over look DonDon’s unsomber and unsober rant’s, but like Bernie he has put forth no plan on how he will address the Presidential Bubble. Without a plan of action the Corporate State will do him like a babe on the dark web.

 

BTW, I just made up that party. And I call dibs in the best Trump fashion to being it’s founder. tongue emoticon

 

I do what is right because it is right, not because it is a social construct.

 

if I GOT to wear a party banner. I am of the American Party

 

And Don Ferguson , it is not about third party. There should be No Parties of significance.

 

I don’t dislike Trump. But he is a bunch of Ballyhoo. I highly recomend, if you every get a chance to party with him, DonDon, do so. Jump at it. You’ll have a time you won’t forget. However as Pres…..even if I was looking to disrupt the system, I would not hack him into the Pres.

 

Don Ferguson John Adams said:

There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.

George Washington agreed, saying in his farewell presidential speech:

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind, (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight,) the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.

There is an opinion, that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the Government, and serve to keep alive the spirit of Liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in Governments of a Monarchical cast, Patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in Governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And, there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be, by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.

 

But He (DonDon) is also very good at subterfuge too as I was noting last night while doing my resume from my files.. When I was part of the team that repossessed his motor yacht ….. hold for data Mr. Don Ferguson

 

And Jeremy Willis Trump is very easily gaslighted. And that should be the main concern. I highly recommend reading that article I wrote.

 

Today marks three years since Aaron Swartz was driven to death by the US government on 11 January 2013 at age 26.

 

 

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Julia Clark commented on Kriz Partridge‘s post.
I agree with Andy Conn . She is a bad person because of she chose to exploit hate as a means of income. Not because she is a transsexual. One would have to wonder how much of her hate is in reality psychological trauma derived from fear that relates to the social treatment often experienced by transsexuals. (not that that makes it OK)

 

Julia Clark shared a link.
An Oregon state legislator arrived here Saturday with a handful out-of-state elected officials in tow and met with the protesters, a Las Vegas Representative attended the meeting by phone.
And the Bundy’s might have went to church today. < really that was included in the article.

 

'Senator Merkley spoke tonight at SWOCC and answered questions on a range of topics including TPP, homelessness, the U.N. Small Arms Treaty, access to public lands, college affordability, carbon credits, and other topics. He said this was his 260th town hall. Here, he recognized the Trash Dogs for their service to Curry County and gave them a flag that had flown over the U.S. Capitol.'
Senator Merkley spoke tonight at SWOCC and answered questions on a range of topics including TPP, homelessness, the U.N. Small Arms Treaty, access to public lands, college affordability, carbon credits, and other topics. He said this was his 260th town hall. Here, he recognized the Trash Dogs for their service to Curry County and gave them a flag that had flown over the U.S. Capitol.

 

I am analyzing it in detail and other than being still in the belief that it is a republican / democrat thing are informative, well-versed and polite. I wish they would speak more on the corporate coup d’etat of the US government and assets including mil , but really it is well enough. It takes a minute or two to fully wake up.

 

My apologies, I do not recall you. However, as a discourse analyst I find your choice of words a weak attempt at jTRIG .

 

Julia Clark replied to her own comment.
Don Ferguson If you still think it is a republican / democrat thing, you are dreaming. Wake up!

 

Julia Clark commented on Jason Spence‘s post.
Looking for robust place to post, somewhere you can give testament and hear testament in a responsible working way? Join https://www.facebook.com/groups/OccupyArmy/

 

Billions in Change

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Who is behind Billions in Change?

Manoj Bhargava, creator of 5-hour Energy, founded Billions in Change as a way to positively impact humanity.

What does Billions in Change do?

The goal of Billions in Change is to have a direct impact on the fundamental needs of the world. It is finding, developing and distributing inventions to bring immediate relief in three basic areas – water, energy and health.

 

 

Julia Clark shared a link.
SHARE BREAKING UPDATE! AMMON BUNDY! BURNS, OREGON!

 

 

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An entire city poisoned, deliberately. The unspeakable truth of this matter should frighten every American. The unelected governor’s indifference to this catastrophe is telling. He is so out of touch with the citizens he would willfully poison them without regret. This is a national issue. We cannot survive if the establishment has such contempt for us. If this issue is not investigated and prison time for the perps, beware how much worse life will be.

WTF! …now I have to worry about being poisoned and nobody to declare an emergency??

‪#‎apologiesnotacceptednotaccepted‬ ‪#‎ourstrugglesuniteus‬ ‪#‎socalflint‬

 

Julia Clark updated her status.
Like Bundy Ranch or not. They went in with pens a rolling! The accountants have landed!

PS I >strongly dislike< the fact they used Yahoo for that press conference.
Nearly, nulls and voids them considering. I have gentleness of heart though. I am giving benefit of the doubt, of either gaslighted, necessity, or just don’t know it’s history. I am banking necessity. Who else is going to cover the Oregon Occupation, Google ? Factory Farmed Media? Maybe, Yahoo ‘s backdoors are different now, but I doubt it.
PSS. Thank you

 

Julia Clark shared a link.
“BREAKING NEWS AND UPDATE OREGON! Report of Fed’s Burning and shredding files all day at the burns BLM Office.

 

Julia Clark shared her post.
Internet sources to continue reading:
http://www.psblab.org/ <– Paul S. Brookes’ personal blog
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_misconduct <– explanation
http://www.nytimes.com/…/rise-in-scientific-journal-retract… <– news/coverstory
http://daily.jstor.org/research-fraud-science-goes-bad/ <– news/coverstory
http://retractionwatch.com/ <– looking for the why’s behind retractions
http://www.the-scientist.com/… <– lists Via Timoo van Esch

 

 

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According to a report released by a grand jury today, LA County’s current plans to accommodate the homeless throughout the El Niño season are “unconscionable and grossly inadequate.” Big surprise.

The grand jury urged agencies and city leaders to identify public and private buildings that could become temporary shelters and to relax any health, fire, and safety code ordinances that might prevent those spaces from serving as refuges. It also recommended that supplies and equipment be stockpiled in case of emergency, and that tents, tarps, and ponchos be provided to those who cannot find room at shelters.

 

Julia Clark commented on Occupy Portland‘s link.
Diapers and baby food are pretty useful. I know some other Occupiers that could use that too.

 

Native Student Sues After Being Forced to Graduate Without Eagle Feather on Her Cap

http://bit.ly/1RaXXWc

 

Jon Roberts As a discourse analysis your social engineering attempt by peppering your statement with lies, discredits your “regular folks” argument. Let’s hope you did or will do better on your theses.

 

Ryan Kargel Exactly! The Corporate coup d’etat of the US government must be addressed!

 

The multi-national conglomerate corporate coup d’etat is not off the radar. https://wikileaks.org/tpp-investment/

 

Julia Clark shared a link.
Oregon Rep. Greg Walden, whose congressional district includes the embattled Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, took to the U.S. House floor Tuesday afternoon to give a spirited defense of his rural constituents and a harsh critique of the federal go

 

Rick Arnett , The Ribald , here is your redneck blog for you.
Congressman Greg Walden addresses U.S. House on situation in Harney County, OR Oregon Rep. Greg Walden, whose congressional district includes the embattled Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, took to the U.S. House floor Tuesday afternoon to give a spirited defense of his rural constituents and a harsh critique of the federal gov.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjL9HGiOIGo

 

Lori Kay I realize it maybe more complex than a network reality sitcom, however “doing something about our crooked judicial system” is what is occurring.

 

A lot of people have been asking “what would happen if armed BLACK people tried to do what the militia in Oregon is doing?”
We can’t answer that question, but we can tell you what happened to the ‪#‎MOVE‬ organization. Whether you agree with the ‪#‎OregonMilitia‬ or think they are terrorists, this is a story of POLICE TERRORISM that MUST BE TOLD! Help SPREAD THE WORD!

 

Julia Clark replied to her own comment.
Marilyn Warder If your doctors are not able to do research, you do not have doctors. Being a doctor actually requires being able to put together a research paper, which is your medical file. Your lack of ability to qualify your doctors speaks nothing on doctors over all and is little more than profiling. It is not impressive that you skew your research team by excluding doctors, it just shows to the extent that the American people have unfortunately adapted to generations of poor quality and unattainable healthcare.

 

Search WikiLeaks

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Lori Kay Again, you are exampling jTRIG conditioning via watching too much television. This is not a realty sitcom. It is a complex geopolitical case and plight of significance, locally and globally. https://search.wikileaks.org/?q=+Bureau+of+Land+Management+

Search WikiLeaks

search.wikileaks.org
Rick Arnett You are incorrect. It is a complex geopolitical case and plight of significance, locally and globally. https://search.wikileaks.org/?q=+Bureau+of+Land+Management+

 

Well, Congressman Walden does point out that things happen when fighting wild fires. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjL9HGiOIGo

 

We need an educational film Remember, remember. ‪#‎MMM‬ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNOsIB5VMSQ

 

Julia Clark replied to her own comment.
Doug Scott The Corporate State using the Federal Government as its shield has usurpt 1/3 of the USA physical land. That is a lot of land. This has created an unnatural market. This map is stunningly effective at bringing home its message. And that message is: Federal land ownership out west is huge. This map, depicting the distribution and share of federal land per state, was first published way back in 2008. Look at Alaska. If I wanted to go fend for myself after losing my retirement when American Airlines stole it in a merger or after never fully recovering from when Enron’s retirement funds were STOLEN. There is no place to go. This land holding has created unnatural pricing. http://assets3.bigthink.com/system/tinymce_assets/944/original/federal_lands.jpg?1422311293

 

Julia Clark shared a link.
Unlike Cliven Bundy, the Klamath Basin farmers owned the water. Their water was “deeded”, just like a piece of land that you buy, so it’s actually private property, not a “right” to use the water. All other water holders in the nation only have a “right” to use it. Klamath “owned” their water through a government “deed”.
The farmers and ranchers remaining in the Klamath Basin (southern OR & northern CA) are making their last stand as they seek to work within or around a resolution that will give them very little water of the deeded water they own. The water has been stolen.

 

Julia Clark commented on Jared Huffman‘s link.
Jared Huffman If you still think this is a Republican Democrat thing, you are dreaming. Wake up!

 

Your discourse peppered with lies discredits you. Besides the fact that this is a peaceful protest. The Bundy’s are actually they are Mormon.

 

'What do YOU think?'
What do YOU think?

 

 

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Much of their research, which involves interviews, surveys, and field experiments with politicians, is made possible by a special exemption in federal law that allows academics to study public figures without burdensome ethics restraints that govern all other research conducted on humans.

But the federal government is looking to quietly remove that exemption.

Right now the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), which writes the rules on what can and can’t be permitted in human subjects research, is in the process of rewriting its whole ethics code. It issued a set of proposed regulations in September, and January 6 marked the deadline to submit comments on those proposed changes.

Overall, social scientists are pleased with the direction these new rules are pushing: If finalized, surveys and low-risk experiments would no longer be held to the same standard as medical trials, which researchers find unduly burdensome.

But snuck into the 300-plus pages of proposed rules is one line suggesting the government intends to close the major loophole that makes studying public officials practically possible.

 

For months they let the children drink lead.

 

A draft letter presented by safety committee leaders at a public meeting asked Ammon Bundy to get out of town – though it thanked him for drawing national attention to the fight for local control of federal lands in the county.

 

Julia Clark likes Redding Coalition for the Homeless‘s post.

 

 

 

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Julia Clark replied to Pat Sharp‘s comment.
Jose E. Martinez Nationwide in cities, absolutely.There are pockets of bad cop shop in rural, but for the most part Cops are a vital part of the community structure in rural america, even crime leaning folk

Julia Clark replied to David Bonello‘s comment.
1/3 of all land in American is owned by the Federal Government. This is a serious concern because it threatens our food sovereignty as a nation. Removing grazing rights benefits factory farms.
That is a lot of words. And I understand the challenge to put that thought into language, besides the painfulness of the concept, the concept is broad and complex.
To address the complexity of concept, the phrases – Corporate Coup, Corporate Coup D’etat, Conglomerate Coup, Conglomerate Coup D’etat – are being adopted.

Americans Against the Republican and Democratic Parties's photo.
BLM? The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) absolutely! Thugs the lot of them. Black Lives Matter (BLM) nubes when it comes to holding ground and frankly they are kind of scared too, understandably.

Julia Clark commented on Joelle Clark‘s post.
The BLM’s lack of transparency creates the illusion that everyone is a single victim, when in fact there are many people and small civics have suffered from BLMs gaslightings. The BLM is a dangerous organization that is assisting the theft of land, where by as mega players are able to exploit land holdings. And one way the holdings are exploited is with mega loans at 0% interest.

Julia Clark shared a link.
Bundy Baby Blues. tongue emoticon
For the 3rd year in a row!

Julia Clark shared a link.
Its amazing at how well JTRG manipulation has worked to divide and rule.
The American public does not have use of the federal land, only access. I cannot go to Federal land find a nice stream and use it in a livable way. The Federal Government has usurpt 1/3 of the USA physical land. That’s a lot of land that the public cannot use freely in a livable way.

Julia Clark replied to her own comment.
Sandy Green Not really. Never forget Justin and the bunny suit, ffs. Embarrassing. Or any number of wacko’s, disability checkin’, micro-managing, meat flapping folks. there was a myriad of boobs, so to speak. What you have done is slurped up the jTRIGs magic buttons that distort your bubble, giving you the grandeur belief that one daft is better than another daft. Divide and rule ….
In politics and sociology, divide and rule (or divide and conquer) is gaining and maintaining power by breaking up larger concentrations of power into pieces that individually have less power than the one implementing the strategy. The concept refers to a strategy that breaks up existing power structures and prevents smaller power groups from linking up.

 

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That’s a bunch of non-organic\c media. Keep feeding at the industrialist table. .

Julia Clark commented on John Dragani‘s post.
They are doing a lot more than you guys.
Go make another sign. If you blacblock, go stomp angrily and break a window.

Julia Clark commented on The Oregonian‘s link.
Something has to give. Homeless can’t go to the cities and they can’t go to the BLM and other wilderness areas. The people need a break.

Julia Clark commented on The Oregonian‘s link.
The corporate state is not and does not expect white to stand against the corporate coup d’etat. The corporate state did not expect and is unable to process rural people taking a stand. If the white privilege is what holding the corporate state back, let’s use it. It is not serving any one but the corporate state.

Julia Clark shared Nor-Cal Alliance For The Missing‘s post.

But where? Can we do this on BLM land???????

Julia Clark replied to her own comment.
Cory Snow we do not have that! If you are lucky enough to have an apartment…… at $1200 a month, you still do not have 1/10 acre!

Julia Clark shared a memory from January 4, 2013.

Julia Clark replied to her own comment.
we need real solutions, not just this Disney delusions
” I shiver to think that the Saudis can execute 47 people in one day alone, tick off Iran to boot, yet rest confident in Obama’s multiple promises that we will defend SA against Iranian aggression. Both sides are despicable and their religious schism has nothing, or should have nothing, to do with the US. The media needs to follow up on this issue with the admistration before an Iran-SA showdown occurs and we are called upon to go to war for a country that funds terrorism.” unknown

Julia Clark updated her status.
Toyah Browneyes you can ignore the homeless and under-housed but it does not make it go away.

Julia Clark replied to Toyah Browneyes‘s comment.
Federal land should be availed for the people. PERIOD.

Julia Clark replied to Toyah Browneyes‘s comment.
are you people, then God willing, Federal land should be for the people!!!!

Julia Clark commented on her own post.
BTW many FN are homeless too. so don’t wimp out.

Julia Clark commented on her own post.
Joye Braun homelessness is is part of this. 85% or the county cannot be used. First hand I have seen homeless be booted off remote areas. This is a daily occurrence in North Cal and oregon. Period today. not as indian land, but as BLM land and wilderness land.
‘.. As Dr. Albert D. Pastore sarcastically observed in his 2003 epic, ‘Stranger Than Fiction: An Independent Investigation of 9/11 and the War on Terrorism’ (here) :

“Now that we know that all one has to do to bring a skyscraper straight down is set a fuel fire in it, the well trained experts who work for demolition companies should all be out of a job by now.”

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U.S. police officer speaks to a group of young loiterers with respect. Policing done correctly!

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Julia Clark commented on Wikileaks‘s photo.
'How False Stories of Iran Arming the Houthis Were Used to Justify War in Yemen 

https://shar.es/163Gef'
Man, I wish I had somewhere special to save this.

Julia Clark replied to her own comment.
Yes, the corporate state is and has killed and committed huge atrocities, Posting memes and delusionally boasting one sickly looking garlic plant as proof of concept is nothing but salve for the open gut wound

 

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That is a complete BS photo. Here is a picture of Cliven Bundy’s house. http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/cheats/2015/06/30/rand-paul-meets-with-anti-gov-activist/jcr:content/image.crop.800.500.jpg/47856484.cached.jpg at no point does that house have those kind of windows.

Julia Clark commented on John Dragani‘s post.
I am willing to admit, bundy’s are as silly as a hill of beans, ( I was just sent that strange political ad he was in with the black guy running for office) but this remote occupy protest was and is good strategically. The original sentence should stand. Giving a 75 year old man 5 years for a fire break burn and a field clearing burn, is out of line. Moreover, Mrs. Bundy ( damn that is unfortunate names) has solid research that the BLM land management is reducing the bio-diversity.
The President should pardon the sentences and end this.

Julia Clark commented on John Dragani‘s post.
In a hidden public record she found a study that was done by the FWS in 1975. The study showed that the “no use” policies of the FWS on the refuge were causing the wildlife to leave the refuge and move to private property. The study showed that the private property adjacent to the Malheur Wildlife Refuge produced 4 times more ducks and geese than the refuge did. It also showed that the migrating birds were 13 times more likely to land on private property than on the refuge. When Susie brought this to the attention of the FWS and refuge personnel, her and her family became the subjects of a long train of abuses and corruptions.

Julia Clark commented on John Dragani‘s post.
In the early 1990’s the Hammonds filed on a livestock water source and obtained a deed for the water right from the State of Oregon. When the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) found out that the Hammonds obtained new water rights near the Malhuer Wildlife Refuge, they were agitated and became belligerent and vindictive towards the Hammonds. The US Fish and Wildlife Service challenged the Hammonds right to the water in an Oregon State Circuit Court. The court found that the Hammonds legally obtained rights to the water in accordance to State law and therefore the use of the water belongs to the Hammonds.*

 

Julia Clark commented on John Dragani‘s post.
(c) In August 1994 the BLM & FWS illegally began building a fence around the Hammonds water source. Owning the water rights and knowing that their cattle relied on that water source daily the Hammonds tried to stop the building of the fence. The BLM & FWS called the Harney County Sheriff department and had Dwight Hammond (Father) arrested and charged with “disturbing and interfering with” federal See More

 

Julia Clark commented on John Dragani‘s post.
you can read the rest. That is from an organic media source. Not as polished as other sources. However, the top part that is a bit rough, has brought into question a good question. :
what percentage of tribal land went to the corporate state, that would include industrialist. specifically after the reservation system was being reduced. and why would the federal government take reservation land to turn it into wilderness areas and wildlife refuge areas?

 

Julia Clark commented on John Dragani‘s post.
I can’t faithfully support them in their freedom to say anything speech, I believe in the right to say truthful speech ie documents being released, not the right to say just anything…
However, they do make some good and valid points. And are right about somethings. And the strategy of occupying a remote out post during off season to demand the release of these two old men was brilliant.

 

Julia Clark replied to her own comment.
John Dragani I have spent time with logging interests, one of the backbones of oregon. There is more to this story than just “logging bad ugg!” There is some serious BS going on by the BLM and cohorts. cont…

 

Julia Clark replied to her own comment.
John Dragani I have been looking for an article I had where these land grabs are being sold off from the BLM and Rural development to the like of Carl Rove and Bill Gates…I can’t find it any more. Moreover…..Rural development has a program where one can get 0% loans on rural land…… that is being exploited horrendously by large, very large players.

 

Julia Clark replied to her own comment.
There are a list of whistle blowers that are eating dirt (figuratively and literally) because talking about the 0% loan programs and other tomfoolery loan programs.

Julia Clark replied to her own comment.
John Dragani I happen to personally know some of the natives that is part of the movement. 75% of that county has gone to feds…… no one but the very big players are able to live any more. We need to join together. Again though I do not agree with their freedom of any speech loving, any of them , including FN guys. I believe in freedom to truthful speech.

 

Don’t split and divide they both are important. It shows a pattern.

 

Julia Clark replied to her own comment.
This will be a controversial statement: Frankly, if it is white privilege that the feds disregard actions as not worrisome because they do not think white protests are troublesome, then use that white privileged as a cover. However, we all remember waco and sometimes whts do get beat down, it is not a magic wand.

 

and some extreme left detract from the real issues too.

 

it is media that is not from corporatized media sources. some of yours have been inorganic, but have been doing my own reading of localized accounts.

 

John Dragani the lies are coming from the feds. logging and mining are numerous in oregon, that is part of everyones livelihood here including natives. Well, except the gentrifications. But saying these guys are backed by loggers and miners is like saying wikileaks is backed by computer nerds and thus a discredit.

 

No one gets to use the land when the feds have it, not native, not locals. No one. It sits there gets loaned out at 0% interest to conglomerates in the trillions.

 

Perhaps, however, “If they are going to loot the economy and displace thousands, then there needs to be a place for these people to live. Or the whole country becomes Eastern Oregon.” – Joe

 

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“public lands, not reserved for public uses” <<< like Jackson Hole, not for public good, just the elite. and thier 0% loans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Staircase-Escalante_National_Monument

 

How many people do addicts hurt?
If they were heroin addicts, you would say they need help.
What if they are money addicts? Shouldn’t they be stopped instead of being thought of as successful and given help?
Nestle has a lot to answer for.

Julia Clark commented on Regan Straley‘s post.
ISIS was created to prop up the bloated mil contractors.

 

'Another place we can save some money...'
Another place we can save some money…

 

Julia Clark shared a link.
“As long as we continue feeding each other the same old bullshit, we never will address the issues that we can and should tackle as a community. The black-market economy undermines community values and devalues honest work.”

 

Just out of curiosity John Dragani do understand there are massive amount of people of varying economic distress wandering America. Some of these folks have to sneak in and out of wilderness areas, BLM land, park land, etc… Many if not most are not there by choice and are not the rainbow sort. These are people trying to survive in shocking times. This is an example of why I made sure the rural and small town voice was to be heard in the OWS movement. Certain leaders of the movements across the US and beyond do not understand rural life and real small town living, not small towns that make up megalopolises.

 

Julia Clark replied to Pat Sharp‘s comment.
Jose E. Martinez the food source of America is a serious problem. Factory farms will profit from these ranchers being driven from the market. . The rural voice makes up 80% of the US space and has 20% of the US population. The rural voice and concerns cannot be ignored. Police brutality for the most part is a city problem. the AMA helped many in rural US. And as for theft the BLM is selling the land left and right. They cannot even account for all their holdings.

Julia Clark commented on Occupy Eugene‘s link.
The feds took the res and turned it into a refuge where no one could use it in a livable fashion, not even natives. What % of res lands went to the corporate state and industrialist during the reduction of the reservations? It was the profiteers and the corporatism that created a market for mercenaries. ie scalping AKA murder.

Julia Clark replied to Dan Beard‘s comment.

 

Cohorts is bad? Frankly, I understand the need of blacblock, but by no means do I think they are peaceful. Nor has Bundy and them been in any way as violent as OWS, PETA, Greenpeace, so on and so forth. The only people I can say that have been more peaceful is the Quakers when they stood between cops and OWS protesters as a shield. And even that is more hands-on then the Oregon Occupation

 

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This is huge!

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That Sheriff said the bare minimum he could.

 

What I wonder about is why the feds did not get up and make an a press statement.

 

I hope that President Obama now has heard of the Hammonds. They plan to request clemancy

 

1/3 of the land has gone to the corporate state. And is no longer in use for food production. Every rancher that is forced out benefits factory farming. GMO’s and Monsanto. This is a peaceful protest. These are serious matters. There was a request to investigative journalist to research the cases.

 

Julia Clark commented on Tom Allen‘s post.
1/3 of the land in the USA is owned now by the federal government. This affects food production and benefits factory farming. Hear this mad white man. He is not a stoner. This land needs to go back into production somewhere. https://www.facebook.com/bundyranch/posts/939689699441172 This land grab that is occurring, there is more to it than just holding land making it where no one can use it in a livable way. I believe there is a loan scheme from very large players. I have heard whispers of it too many times, now. 1/3 of the land is now held by federal government. That’s a lot of land.

Julia Clark replied to her own comment.
Tom Allen Logging is important to some tribes. I could be wrong, I don’t see him as a company man. Fruit loop yes.

I was just talking to Mom about this. A lot of the land the BLM seizes is missing.There is no accountability. I talked about it earlier. I don’t think it is cattle grazy making bank. I think it is the 0% loans from Rural Development. Cattle is just extra sauce.
I know I saw an article a couple of years ago about big wigs buying up the land the BLM takes.maybe this one is it, but I thought It wasn’t from such a in-organic magazine.

 

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Yep, it’s true.
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Americans should be behind these people, I know what it’s like to be victimized by a broken system where no one cares. When they commit crimes (police and government) nothing is done, all show for a slap on the wrist. But if you dare do something what they do you’re attacked, arrested, jailed and punished to no end. All while you stay in jail and they prove your guilty. America is so screwed up, don’t think so, wait till it happens to you..
This is something that I’ve been reading alot about. Harry Reid has land buttressed right up against the Bundy ranch. He wants that land all around really really bad. He is such an evil criminal. He has development projects in the works with the Chinese and is using the federal government and the bureau of land management to threaten and bully these ranchers and steal their land. It’s so insidious.

 

In the fight to protect rights and resources, certain people will be demonized. Tried as terrorists. Tell me, why would you be on the side of BLM?!!?! Good God people. Get the stick out of your ass and wake up. Did everyone forget about the recent wild horse scandal? What about the cracking on federal land. People are also confusing mass fact between the Hammonds and the Bundy’s. Maybe we should put BLM on the stand. Charge them with terror. That’s what they are doing. Protecting corporations and dwindling private property. Wake up America. Or shut up.

 

Just like Tora Bora in Afghanistan and eastern Syria. No minerals = no British/US presence. The invisible shadow government instructing the perceived US federal government…..it is all about the minerals under the ground….and ultimately the wealth…prosecuted under the guise of an “arson” charge for burning their ranch land in a manner that has happened for a century. China wants that land….Hammonds and Bundys farms both….so they create a perception deception issue to use as a programmed TV hoax story tied to their allowed use of federal land…this is not federal land. It is private property. The thieving Network for Global Corporate Control punching the buttons

 

 

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BREAKING! SHARE! Standing for the rights of Men & Women. Calling all freedom loving people to come to Harney County Oregon, come to the Malhuer Wildlife Refuge. The people are finally getting some good use out of a federal facility. http://on.fb.me/1PESZxH

Julia Clark replied to Rs Stubbs‘s comment.
Rs Stubbs This is your quote, ” people who live independently seem to get targeted” And yes, EVERY administration has done this to one group or another Pres. Nixon, a republican was president during wounded knee; Feb. 27 to May 8th 1973

Yvette Noelle Maranowski The US military has effectively been commandeered by the corporate coup d’etat that has taken the American Government
'This is what the well in Porter Ranch looks like... it was completed in 1953 and was equipped with a downhole "safety" valve which is a device that was originally developed by Halliburton in the 1940s to prevent catastrophic releases of reservoirs to the surface. 

The "safety" valve was removed by SoCal Gas Company in 1979 and never replaced. DOGGR regulators... should sit in the same jail cell with the managers that allowed this to happen.

According to quotes from company representatives, the valve was old, unreliable, and could not be serviced. The company further justifies its removal and decision not to replace it based on difficulty in obtaining replacement parts and that the well was not considered a critical well which they define as one being close to roadways or sensitive receptors.'
This is what the well in Porter Ranch looks like… it was completed in 1953 and was equipped with a downhole “safety” valve which is a device that was originally developed by Halliburton in the 1940s to prevent catastrophic releases of reservoirs to the surface.

The “safety” valve was removed by SoCal Gas Company in 1979 and never replaced. DOGGR regulators… should sit in the same jail cell w See More

 

David Hawkins Internet gold!

Mick Lett What the rest of the world needs to do is start bombing Oregon where the terrorists are, and a bit around them, and a few other places just for the hell of it, all just to help the US people of course. Then when the local population try to leave as refugees, refuse them entry.

Julia Clark replied to Pat Sharp‘s comment.
Pat Sharp It did go through the system. Feds changed the jail time. That arson charge was complete BS. It was a controlled burn by local firemen for a fireline to protect during the wildfires. Minimum sentence was given locally certain sorts of the the feds stepped in an was looking reep some fresh

Julia Clark replied to Pat Sharp‘s comment.
Absolutely, guaranteed incomes need to be addressed. How is that to be managed.

I realize you live down here in the megalopolis, and are no longer understanding of remote and rural. However, do not wish for that abuse simply because others have had it. Moreover, slander from the corporate run media, and that is what it is, and it is what it is. Switch to organic media.

Lisa Watson Well, at the very least intell contractors are now pushing Sanders instead of Clinton, so there is that. smile emoticon
You really want to address loss of habitat, then address industrialized farming.
Fracking, and other corporate state monstrosities locally and globally. And lets not forget gentrification.

Bruce McLean So just because this is rural people, they should not be recognized? I should not be allowed to use our public land to live? Our resources are only for corporate profit?

I am going to add a new dimension. So not only is homeless not allowed to camp in the city, but homeless are not allowed to live on federal land.
“It’s frustrating to me because there are all of these people with negative attitudes about something that is truly God’s gift.” – Sister Darcey of Sisters of the Valley